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 Lost1313 (original poster new member #85442) posted at 8:10 PM on Wednesday, November 13th, 2024

Here I was getting ready to retire in a few years and spend more time with my wife. Then I discover that my wife has been unfaithful for the last 15 years. I do believe that this affects a man in different ways than it does a woman. Not many stories about men being cheated on and even fewer men out there willing to talk about it. We take it very personal and as a man I don't give up easily and will fight for my marriage to survive this. The resentment is very real, she gave her lover her best for 15 years and now that she is back with me only, she doesn't treat me anywhere near the way she was with him. I do get it, affairs and married life are two very different situations. But yet again if she would put just a small percentage of the effort, desire and excitement into our marriage like she did her affair I probably wouldn't be writing this. I know this was not my fault but I can't help but feel like a door prize for her now after all the excitement of the affair life. She was such a different woman physically and emotionally during her affair years. We are two and a half years post Dday and doing fairly well but I am still having trouble getting her to talk about our past mistakes and what we need to do to keep moving forward. She shuts down sometimes and quickly changes the subject if I even hint of going there. I have been calm with her from the beginning and never showed any anger. I vented a lot in my journaling though! Things are so different now, all I want is peace of mind again and finish out our years together. She is a woman of few words with me and I am the complete opposite. I need to hear more about her feelings for me now more than ever but getting her to open up has not been easy. I have learned a lot from this and now understand that life can be so unfair when it comes to affairs. So much is lost and can't be taken back and the punishment does not match the crime. Prayer has helped me considerably and so do the people on all the forums that I post to. I appreciate you lending your ear to my struggles!

Lost1313

BH LTA 15 years Dday March 2022

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Fantastic ( member #84663) posted at 8:30 PM on Wednesday, November 13th, 2024

I am so very sorry you are now part of this club nobody wanted to join.

I agree the affair was defined not your fault. What really struck me about your story is the fact that here you have not expressed any doubt about your marriage, you just are not happy she is very quiet.

Can you share with us how you found out about the affair and how you two have dealt with it. May I ask you, have you ever thought your marriage is over? Ever thought that your wife is grieving the end of a very important story, too, hence her silence? What made her stay and what made you stay? 15 years is a VERY LONG TIME…

Have you got professional support by a therapist? I strongly recommend it because you both have a lot to process.

[This message edited by Fantastic at 8:31 PM, Wednesday, November 13th]

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gr8ful ( member #58180) posted at 9:37 PM on Wednesday, November 13th, 2024

Then I discover that my wife has been unfaithful for the last 15 years. I do believe that this affects a man in different ways than it does a woman. Not many stories about men being cheated on and even fewer men out there willing to talk about it. We take it very personal and as a man I don't give up easily and will fight for my marriage to survive this. The resentment is very real, she gave her lover her best for 15 years and now that she is back with me only, she doesn't treat me anywhere near the way she was with him

May I ask you what prompted you to stay with a woman who was unfaithful for at least a decade and half? Especially after what you heard on her 40 minute "break up" call she made with OM but you (rightly) secretly recorded. The level of disrespect she’s directed at you is astonishing.

[This message edited by gr8ful at 9:37 PM, Wednesday, November 13th]

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 10:23 PM on Wednesday, November 13th, 2024

In your other thread you wrote…

She professed her undying love for him and said he was the true love of her life and that would never change

You should probably assume this is true, and make your decisions based on that fact. Her not being willing to talk about it are signs that it is the case.

Accepting it as a fact, may allow you to move past the struggle. It is what it is.

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
― Mary Oliver

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heartbrokeninaz ( member #40779) posted at 3:23 AM on Thursday, November 14th, 2024

Hi sorry you are here. I just want to say that your I am 51 and been dealing with this sandwich for 10 years. It is unbearable and not what a loving spouse would do. I have friends that are my parents age. They no longer live together or even in the same state. They are still married. I find it sad. And I do not understand it except for maybe tax reasons? You are still young. Even if you never remarry or even want another partner. I guess I am saying take care of you. There is still life out there no matter if you are together or not.

BW 51(me)WH 51DDay 1 07/31/13 ONS with whorenado DDay 2 05/09/14 texts to another woman (not returned)Dday 3 06 15/18 texting to meetup with a mutual friend not reciprocated. I live a real life fairy tale.

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 8:09 AM on Thursday, November 14th, 2024

As others posted, you know her true feelings and combine that with a 15 year affair, it has to hurt you tremendously.

I urge you to consider counseling. It helped me to save my sanity during his affair and helped us to reconcile.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 11 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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WB1340 ( member #85086) posted at 12:30 PM on Thursday, November 14th, 2024

Ending a relationship at 65 would be incredibly hard but ask yourself, is she worthy of your continued love, respect, admiration, etc? If given the chance do you think she would go to him?

Staying with someone just because of your age is not a good reason IMO. You already know where her heart lies. Feeling like a consolation prize is no way to exist in a relationship.

D-day April 4th 2024. WW was sexting with a married male coworker. Started R a week later, still ongoing...

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 3:21 PM on Thursday, November 14th, 2024

Lost

First a suggestion. Keep in mind this is just exactly that – a suggestion:
You have started three threads, all with one posts from you. Makes offering advice harder and even disjointed. I suggest you stick to one thread until or unless there is some major change in what you are after. Like I said: Only a suggestion. You aren’t doing nothing wrong, its just that I think you will be better served in one thread.

OK – So here is my view on things, based on what I have read over your three threads and posts:

Your wife of 42 years had an affair, lasting 15 years. From the 24-25 year of your marriage until the 40th. She has not – to your knowledge – actively been having an affair for the last 2 years.
She keeps secrets and hasn’t come clean about the affair.
She called the OM – a coworker – and it took 40 minutes for her to end the affair. In that call she professed her undying love, that he was the true love and that would never change. How unhappy she was and the only moments of happiness were in his presence. He spent time reminding her of her unhappiness with you.

Since then, there has been no professional counseling and she still keeps secrets from you.

That about an accurate recap?

Well... I can share what I think is the BEST way to move out of infidelity, and frankly the odds of your wife coming along with you are IMHO about 7 to 10... IMHO that beats what I foresee for you going onwards with the level of inaction to-date.

First some assumptions: 42 year old marriage, plus sixty age... I’m guessing that if there are kids they aren’t at home, or at the very young adulthood. Maybe even grandkids. So it’s not as if either of you can hide behind the classic "wait until junior leaves home". What you are being offered NOW is your future – and it’s up to you to either accept what you have or take action to change it.

Infidelity for this long... It would be extremely rare that it ends just like that... I am 100% certain that at various times during those 15 years they talked about how wrong this is and all that and decided to quit... for a week. In your shoes I would assume the affair is ongoing, rather than assume it’s over. Only way to get to the bottom of that is to get assurance – one way or the other.

Still working together? If so it’s ongoing.

I think the very basis of good marriages is the acceptance and realization that the ONLY reason you (or she) is there is because you decided to be there. The strength of MY marriage is based on my commitment, and my wife’s commitment. Realistically there is both an emotional and practical threshold if I were to decide I want out, but neither is unsurpassable. Bluntly – if my marriage ended today – I would survive. If you are aware of this you also realize that you can’t take your marriage for granted, and that if you aren’t contributing OR not getting what you expect out of the marriage – you can leave. In a good marriage this fragility is what makes it strong.

With that in mind... What are you holding on to?

Well... Don’t make too hard assumptions based on her having a lover for 15 out of 43 years... But don’t ignore it either!
This long and it won’t end with a call... Especially if the end is forced on her. They might not be seeing each other, but you can bet your pension on there being some connection IMHO.
Second: Fifteen years... Why during that period if he was her key to happiness... haven’t they started a life together? This is actually a common scenario: the affair is fantasy. In the affair they don’t have to save money for e new roof, don’t have to clean the sick, don’t have to deal with the stink after your partner takes a crap. It’s all roses and fantasy and hours spent in each others arms and riding into the sunset on a white horse. I am 100% certain that over those 15 years one or both have lamented that maybe at another age, another time... they could be together but now they are tied to their commitments and have to sacrifice their happiness and settle for the old ogre (you) and the evil witch (assuming he’s married).

So I’m asking again: What are you holding on to? At 65 (not too far from me...) you can have anything from 15 to 30 good years ahead. That’s both quite some time, but also soberingly short... Do you want to spend that time being the ogre?

This is what I suggest:
Tell your wife that you have had an epiphany. You have made three major realizations.
The first one is that she is and has always been the love of your life, but that one-sided love isn’t healthy, and that if you truly loved her you would want her to be happy. You KNOW she says the OM is her true love, that she only found happiness with him, that she pines for him and that there is something other than what should be holding her in this marriage doing so. Therefore you absolve her of any marital expectations and give her the freedom to go be with OM.

The other epiphany is that you realize that you aren’t "losing" her per se. You lost her 17 years ago when she decided to initiate the affair. The only thing you have "lost" are the years you could have been in another healthier relationship. You are dealing with the resentment for this stolen time.

The third: Since OM is her "true love" and all that then at best you are sharing her as your wife. You don’t share wives.

Let her know that from now on she is totally free to be with OM, date OM, move in with OM, play house with OM... whatever. Only not as your wife. You are starting the process of terminating your relationship – both the personal and physical detachment required and the legal and technical aspects. Tell her this is a complex long-term process that is mostly guided and directed by law that should ensure a fair settlement. You are committed to this being as fair as possible and hope she will do the same.
It’s not instantaneous, but let her know you will start the process.

Ask her to show you the respect of not being too obvious with OM until the divorce has progressed further, maybe not talk to him where you hear her and maybe not have him over in the home while you cohabit.
Let her know that you do care for her and this is not how you envisioned this marriage ending. But as-is the choice is that you both remain in unhappiness, or that you pull the trigger and thereby allow her to find her happiness, and opening the possibility for you to find happiness elsewhere. She has a short window of opportunity to let you know if she wants to commit to the marriage, but that would require total truth, accountability and to convince you that you do matter to her beyond some "friend" and "companion" level.

And then you just move on...
There isn’t any rush. You don’t have to file today or anything like that. You start the tough discussions on how she envisions the divorce. Does she want the family home? Can either of you afford it? What needs to be done before it’s valued?

She starts talking about how you behavior back in 1992 forced her to look around... Your standard reply is "Sorry you feel that way. If we were working at saving and healing our marriage this issue might be relevant, but seeing as how you have chosen your affair over us and your happiness lies with OM then there isn’t any need to address this here and now" and then you go make a sandwich.

This is the same for ANY marital issue.

Although I told you there is a 7/10 probability that she follows you then that’s not the goal. That’s just a possible outcome. The goal is that YOU get out of infidelity. If she runs whooping for joy from your speech and shacks up with OM... well... at least you know. Beats wondering if your porridge tastes of arsenic a couple of miserable years from now.
I’m guessing that even if she does phone OM and tells him they can ride horses into the sunset... he probably isn’t planning on ending his marriage or changing his life or whatever. Furthermore I have a feeling that once your wife realizes there is nothing holding her back... she really doesn’t want what she thought she wanted.

But the key here is that YOU decide that YOU aren’t remaining in infidelity and that YOU are getting out of it. It then is more an issue how YOU progress and if she is capable of following you. If she does – you two can have a golden future ahead of you as a reconciled couple. If she doesn’t... well... all that more time to fly-fish for you...

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 6:18 PM on Thursday, November 14th, 2024

Member to member:

I signed on this AM, saw another thread of yours higher in the list, and responded to that. Combine this response to that one.

First, you write 'as a man'. You have no right to speak for me. None. Stop.

*****

I urge you to step back. If you think you are fighting for your M, you're mistaken. Your W is not being the partner you want her to be. You can't force her to be that partner, and you can't change her. It takes 2 to fight for a marriage.

My reco: Figure out what you're fighting for. Figure out if it's a goal that really serves you. Figure out if your method is effective. Change your goal and method as appropriate.

*****

Figure out what you want, even if it's unattainable. Then figure out what you're willing to do to get what you want.

*****

Process the anger, grief, fear, and shame out of your body. You'll probably need help for that; I sure did - but once learned, it's not easily forgotten. Know that you have your pain, that your pain doesn't have you helps clear the mind to perceive reality more accurately and make better decisions. That's important, because you have a lot of decisions to make.

IOW, a good IC can help you.

*****

I was 66 on my d-day, in our 44th year of M. I wanted a W who loved me, who desired sex with me, and who would be only with me for the rest of her or my life. If my W could not meet those requirements, I would have been grief-stricken, but like Bigger, I would have let her go. And by 'let her go,' I mean 'divorced her.' As devastated as I would have been, D would have let me live my life free of someone who had betrayed me.

You need to get to figure out your boundaries. You've got to figure out you deal killers and deal makers and dump your W if she doesn't fit within your limits.

*****

IOW, what Bigger wrote in other words - and don't think you speak for anyone but yourself.

[This message edited by SI Staff at 6:22 PM, Thursday, November 14th]

fBH (me) - on d-day: 66, Married 43, together 45, same sex ap
DDay - 12/22/2010
Recover'd and R'ed
You don't have to like your boundaries. You just have to set and enforce them.

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Fantastic ( member #84663) posted at 9:47 PM on Thursday, November 14th, 2024

She professed her undying love for him and said he was the true love of her life and that would never change

If this is really what she said, you are just wasting your time being with her and I would like to understand what hope you really see in your relationship with this woman. Why did she stay and more importantly WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO STAY? From your words she has distanced herself too much emotionally from you and no matter how much you love her, no INDIVIDUAL LOVE will ever be enough to be a couple again. That requires BOTH PARTIES to commit and do their best to re-create the couple that was devastated by the affair.

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Byebyebirdie ( new member #83956) posted at 10:01 PM on Thursday, November 14th, 2024

15 years of disrespect and you're the one wanting to "save" the marriage. My God I have no words 🙄

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