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Reconciliation :
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 DogGoneIt (original poster new member #79698) posted at 4:53 PM on Tuesday, February 1st, 2022

Mostly a lurker on here. Coming up on 3 years, wife and I continue to progress.
We were at a wedding last night, Monday night of all times to have a wedding with an open bar. First wedding we've been to since DDay. Got through the service and the vows ok. Wasn't really triggered, barely thought about it. We had a lot of fun and great to see some family again. We were both drinking but agreed that I'd take it easier to drive us home. Time to get ready to go so I decide to take advantage of the bar for one last drink. This upset my wife. Rightfully so. I can't say that was smart of me just minutes from getting in the car. She drove us home.
Sitting quietly in the car is now when I reach back into the anger of broken vows. We were at two weddings while she was acting out right before DDay. Now I'm going through the memories and now I'm flooding.
We get home and she asks me what was I thinking going back to the bar. In anger I blurt out something about having to sit there listening to bleeping vows, that forsaking all other isn't just a suggestion. She's frozen like a deer in headlights and I leave to cool off.
I contemplate getting a hotel room for a couple days. But after sleeping on it I write a note explaining my anger and head off to work. She texts me "I love you". This continues to be progress for us.
Just like I wish I had a better plan for cutting myself off at the bar, I wish we would have been prepared for walking in to our first wedding. She's usually real good with checking on me about possible triggers. Didn't even think about it until that Pastor had everyone seated.
Just a vent. Can't remember the last time I had such a flood of anger, which I guess I'm glad I can say.
Such a long road.

BH mid 40sDDay March 2019Reconciling

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Ladybugmaam ( member #69881) posted at 5:05 PM on Tuesday, February 1st, 2022

Sounds like you both handled it as best as you could. This crap is hard. The first wedding we attended post DDay, I had a similar experience, fueled by one drink too many. Though, for me it was more grief/weeping the loss. Second, wedding we attended post DDay.....FWH was emotional.
Hang in there.

EA DD 11/2018
PA DD 2/25/19
One teen son
I am a phoenix.

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marriageredux959 ( member #69375) posted at 5:20 AM on Wednesday, February 2nd, 2022

Yup.

Ditto.

Only for us/me, there isn't any wedding involved.

It could be another legit trigger, or no trigger at all.

We're going through life, no drama, and I guess I would describe it as some weird form of 'being in the moment.'

A slight segway here, but it's sometimes said that the very point of SI is to 'get out of infidelity.' And that may take many forms, any form. It could be anything from genuine 'reconciliation,' whatever that means to the individuals and the couple involved, to divorce, to the demise of one or both partners (the ultimate in 'til death do us part.)

Ok, so, I can say that I'm as certain as certain can be that we are 'out of infidelity' and we have been for many years.

So if I, if we, are living 'in the moment,' then, there is no infidelity, right? No drama. No need to be 'triggery.' No need to disturb the dust. Living in the now infidelity free moment.

And yet, I have had *this exact same experience.*

One drink too many, with or without any specific trigger, and I am *absolutely FLOODING.*

And it's very, very real.

I cannot say that I'm 'white knuckling' through this marriage, not at this moment.

In very many ways, some of them quite fundamental, some of them quite esoteric, I *finally* have the life and the marriage that I've wanted since I was a small child.

I'm just now processing out the damage that was incurred on the way to here. The infidelity is but one of those damages. Only one. There is a larger context. In reality, the infidelity itself is not the context.

It is the sentinel event that puts all of the rest of it, including the overall context, in perspective.

'All this, and that too.'

The thing that sets infidelity apart is that it is such a specific, intimate betrayal.

There is one, *one,* very narrowly defined set of boundaries and parameters that define a romantic *and* sexual relationship. Ironically, those boundaries and parameters may or may not include/encompass sexual exclusivity. What those boundaries and parameters *absolutely* encompass, include, accommodate, is agency.

We make ourselves vulnerable in the sacrifice of giving up some of our agency, as well as a large portion of our physical and emotional and psychological privacy and safety, to a greater good that is broadly and glibly and somewhat sloppily IRL defined as 'The Relationship.'

Teamwork makes the dream work, right?

In my case, the emotional and psychological and cognitive dissonance whiplash of 'infidelity' exists largely because I was white knuckling it through a *very, very* demanding life and marriage, on a number of levels, before, during, and after the infidelity occurred.

I was bringing my very largely unsung A Game in service to The Greater Good. 'We' are working toward 'A Larger and Worthy Common Goal.'

And I was accepting starvation rations in my life and in my marriage, because the narrative was that we are *both* sacrificing for 'The Greater Good.'

The fact that one partner took a unilateral walkabout in the middle of this overarching narrative of 'The Greater Good' stands alone on its own dubious merit. That turd rightfully stands alone.

In that a very narrow set of boundaries and parameters separates *this specific type of relationship, and this particular relationship,* "apart from all others," means that the very breach of those boundaries and parameters, 'undefines it.'

The marriage is no longer what it was. It's now some pedestrian service agreement. It's an expired warranty and some fucking stranger, whom you once thought was your spouse, is pounding your digits, pestering you to extend that warranty.

Your entitled spouse would like to speak to you about your service agreement.

At cost to you. You get to pay for this.

For me, finding out about a long ago infidelity, after white knuckling my way through life and this marriage for *years,* only to find out that the one precious definition that separated this relationship from *every other freaking obligation and narrative and 'ought to' and 'should' we'd both been servicing for *years,* that, THAT, was the ultimate mind fuck.

This is a word wall to say, ironically inversely, that the infidelity is merely a symptom of a larger problem- not with the marriage, but with the cheater, and that secondarily it impacts the marriage.

For me it's the absolute humiliation and shame that I put up with *years, years* of starvation rations, sacrificing for 'The Greater Good,' and while I was white knuckling that, I was ever so much more clinging to the one narrowly defined set of boundaries and parameters that made *this* relationship 'different than all others,'

... only to find myself left high and dry on a long ago broken promise, washed up on the shore of a lot of broken promises and unfulfilled dreams, and wondering how I got here.

IMHO, the infidelity is not and never was the primary problem.

It is just another, albeit a very specific and intimate, symptom.

My experience is that there has been 'unfaithfulness,' lack of commitment and fidelity all through the marriage.

The infidelity is just another episode, just another 'acting out.'

This one is so specific, however, that it's damned near impossible to write off to any other reason except for lack of- pick your poison. Lack of commitment? Lack of character? Lack of a conscience? Lack of empathy? Lack of a clue? Lack of give a fuck? It's the one that grabs our attention because it busts a very specific type of trust.

That breach puts every other bit of 'understanding' one has about one's marriage in mortal jeopardy.

... and once one sees that, and starts processing it, the infidelity itself 'right sizes' and the rest of the damned marriage comes into focus.

And that's why a single drink too far can lower inhibitions and erase the psychological defenses that prop up the 'This is fine, I'm fine' perception and narrative of daily marriage. It strips the narratives and the pretenses and the premises. It shoves a mirror in our faces- and that mirror is,

our very marriage.

I've said it before,

I'll say it again:

The Emperor Has No Clothes

It's just that you and I are *finally* picking our own noses up off of that grindstone and *looking* at it.

[This message edited by marriageredux959 at 6:22 AM, Wednesday, February 2nd]

I was once a June bride.
I am now a June phoenix.
The phoenix is more powerful.
The Bride is Dead.
Long Live The Phoenix.

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HowCouldSheDoIt ( member #78431) posted at 8:00 PM on Saturday, February 5th, 2022

I give you credit for attending the wedding in the first place, I think it would still be too triggering for me to attend a wedding and sit through the vows.

Me: BH Mid 50'sHer: WW Mid 50'sD-Day Nov 2020Married 21 years before D-Day3 childrenSeparated and going through a very amicable divorce

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 8:17 PM on Saturday, February 5th, 2022

So,no apology. No recognition of your feelings. Just an I love you.

What work has she done on herself, to become a safe partner?

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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Tanner ( Guide #72235) posted at 9:19 PM on Saturday, February 5th, 2022

We have not attended a wedding since Dday, I can imagine it’s a trigger mine field. I’ve been guilty of being very down on marriage and relationships. We were in a very public place one time and a guy proposed in front of everyone and had a mariachi band play. My was response was "what a f-Ing moron"and "he will live to regret this day".

Dday Sept 7 2019 doing well in R BH M 33 years

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