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Me and my AP - a cautionary tale of limerence

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 warrenbkk (original poster new member #78851) posted at 3:22 PM on Tuesday, May 25th, 2021

SI newbie here.

Herein lies the tale of a 1.5 month affair with my LO that ended a month ago, just as quickly as it had started – spanning a total of 12 dates.

Background – together with SO for 10 years, married for almost 7– both late 30's, no kids. In order to provide cultural context - she is Chinese, I'm South Asian. We both met while studying overseas and have been living in one of China's biggest cities for sometime now. We do love each other, without question. However, we eventually found ourselves in the 'Roommate Phase'. I had been tempted to wander, but hadn't given into my temptations...yet.

I ventured onto OkC around mid-Feb and after messaging a few women, met up with one of them. Her background - Chinese, mid-30's, studied overseas for a couple of years and was working in academia - apparently doing quite well.I was immediately hooked after Date #1 - she was chatty, quirky & engaging and we both had the same taste in movies, food and travel.

Setup Date #2 for some days later, during which she opened up about her past – 5 previous relationships, the most recent one lasting around 3 years - she'd ended it because she was expecting marriage, but the SO wasn’t interested. She had dated a foreigner and other Asians on previous occasions. This is to say that she was well-aware of cultural differences in international relationships. I recall her mentioning that after the last breakup, she wasn't interested in marriage.

Later that night, we found out that we had the same birthday.

The limerence hit me like a ton of bricks. I wanted this cheerful & seemingly carefree woman to reciprocate my intense feelings for her so badly! I was prepared to move heaven and earth to be with her! She began to occupy my thoughts for every waking second, that my brain could spare.

There had been minimal physical contact up to this point - quick hug after Date #1, and again after the Date #2, with a small peck on her cheek. Communication between dates was via text - some banter, but not too much. I got the feeling she wasn't much of a texter, and preferred face-to-face interaction, which she confirmed.

I setup Date #3 by suggesting dinner/movie at her or my place. She jokingly asked if we were moving too fast, but agreed to the following weekend. Some convincing was required to meet at her place, for obvious reasons. She was wondering if my place would be a better choice, but I made up an excuse about a roommate situation and she agreed.

My wife was unaware that anything was amiss up to this point. I'd simply told her that I was meeting a friend (on the 2 previous dates and upcoming Date #3 as well).

Date #3 came and I brought dinner to her place - pleasant meal, some drinks & a movie, during which I escalated quickly – ended up with 69, but no penetration, mainly because the little guy was not up to it. I spent the night and besides cuddling and fondling each other we talked about various things - her most recent (3-year relationship) that she ended about 15-16 months prior, her enjoyment of sex and sexual history (5 sexual partners), about her family and work life. She was looking for a new relationship and we both agreed to give us a shot.

The conversational dynamic during most of our time together was talker-listener, her being the talker. She didn't ask me much about myself, but opened up a lot about her life, family, friends, work and love. She had truly loved just one of her ex's and it was neither her first nor the most recent. We talked about our common interests in movies, food and travel.

From that point on, we saw each other 1-3 times/week meeting at restaurants/bars that we both wanted to check out. I spent the night at her place a total of 5 times within that month of dating - anymore would have aroused my wife's suspicion - more on this later. I believe it was on Date #4 that she suggested a couple’s trip and I foolishly agreed – we did the necessary hotel and transportation bookings shortly thereafter – the dates were set for a 3D/2N weekend, 3-weeks in advance – for the beginning of April. This probably qualifies as a potential red flag, but she showed me photos of her and the most recent ex that she kept on her phone. When I asked why she kept photos of her ex, she said it was for her memories.

In terms of physical intimacy, we had PIV sex for the first time on Date #5. I initially suggested bareback from the perspective of a possible connection on a deeper level - she had never done so before, and agreed. I pulled out, but she went on the pill from there on.

On 2 other occasions, I was again suffering from performance anxiety so PIV didn’t happen, just oral – I ate her out and got her off, she seemed to enjoy it a lot. She said that it was difficult for her to orgasm, having orgasmed from PIV sex only once before.

The weekend of the trip was approaching fast and I concocted a story of going to a weekend music festival with my friends for my wife - she bought it. Again, no apparent suspicions up to this point.

We spent a total of 3 nights together, leading up to and including the trip. As she had mentioned the lack of PIV sex the past weeks, I went to town on her the first night, finishing inside her each time – she seemed satisfied at the end.

During the 3-day course of the trip, I believe we had good chemistry and fun despite the bad weather – dinner and drinks, spending the afternoon at a mostly crowded beach. The only frustration she mentioned was PIV sex being unpredictable and that something didn’t feel right – and that it would become an issue in the relationship, if not resolved. Besides this, she seemed her usual, cheerful self – cuddly & responsive to physical affection.

Nevertheless, I rallied and believe the sex turned out fine by the end of the trip –I was able to get her off multiple times by eating her out and we got some decent PIV action on the second night/Day 2.

Pillow-talk consisted of our past relationships, common interests and love.

In retrospect, it is apparent to me that her attachment style was probably dismissive-avoidant or fearful avoidant – fiercely independent, childhood abandonment issues due to an absent father and afraid of falling in love.

The tail-end of Day 3 was when everything started to go downhill – after a lunch and a movie, she seemed a bit withdrawn and mentioned that a trip was a good indicator of how a relationship would develop. I agreed and said I had a good time with her.

The journey back home was mostly quiet, and here’s when everything started to blow up.

During the trip, my wife had been trying to constantly reach me via text and urging me to send photo, but I had not been very responsive.

When me and the AP arrived back at the train station later that night, my wife wouldn’t stop calling/texting me. My phone was on silent, and I am guessing (hoping) the AP didn’t see me glancing at my phone from time-to-time.

Eventually, the AP and I said our goodbyes & got into our respective taxi’s and on the way home I called my wife back and she asked who was really together on the trip with me. As soon as I reached home I found her crying, and she immediately confronted me about her suspicion that I had gone with another girl and not some friends as I had originally claimed. She went to say that she had felt that something was off in the previous month, especially during my absences. She asked to see my text logs with the aforementioned friends, but by pure stroke of luck I usually delete all casual text messages, leaving work related texts on my phone. I convinced her that it was all in her head, and went to bed. She apologized for the misunderstanding the following morning. I had somehow avoided D-Day.

Meanwhile, AP went completely silent after returning from the trip. I messaged her some days later to ask if she wanted to meet, but she said she was busy. Sensing that something was wrong, I sent her another message after some days to tell her if she needed time to figure or work things out I was cool with that, and she could get in touch whenever she wanted to reconnect. She replied immediately by saying the real reason she had not reached out is because she didn’t feel good about us after the trip and wanted to meet in person to talk things over later in the week. I agreed to said meeting.

AP and I met for dinner some days later, and she seemed her usual cheery self. After some small-talk she started talking about the trip and said that she wanted to end the relationship because it didn’t feel right, specifically she didn’t feel as passionate as she should. In addition, she didn’t care for the relationship, although she liked spending time with me. I agreed to end the relationship if that is what she really wanted, but said my only regret was the trip itself might have been the relationship killer after all, as it was probably too soon. Finally, we discussed if we should stay friends. I said we could reach out, once we were ready.

To be honest, I was a little blindsided by her lack of passion statement, given the intensity at which we had swapped body fluids!

Anyhow, it has been a month since the break and the process of detoxing from the AP has been a rough journey. Although, I am in a pretty good place now.

What stings is that I now realize I probably meant nothing to her after all. The limerence fog had me looking for subtle cues and imagining that she was really into me or had feelings for me, but likely there were none.

Most likely I was a:

- A short-term sexual relationship/bridge/rebound to help get over the last relationship

- A cure for her boredom – the excitement of meeting somebody new

As for why she broke it off, I have no idea although I’m guessing it was largely due to the sex or incompatibility on some level. Or maybe the trip was the relationship killer after all.Lastly, I do believe that the AP didn’t realize that I was married, during all our time together. Or maybe her intuition told her something was ‘off’. Perhaps the WS's here can provide some post-mortem analysis.

In a karmic twist, the AP bailed, but my marriage has seemingly survived. In fact, my wife and I are going to work on the intimacy issues.I would very grateful to other WS’s for tips on how to continue to detox from an AP, as I still have some work ahead of me.

Thanks for listening.

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BraveSirRobin ( member #69242) posted at 4:03 PM on Tuesday, May 25th, 2021

Perhaps the WS's here can provide some post-mortem analysis.

My post-mortem analysis is that you are interested first in yourself, second in your AP (though only as she relates to you), and not at all in your wife. You do not show any remorse for betraying her and deceiving AP in a cold and calculated manner. Instead of asking for help to figure out what's wrong with you that led you to an affair, you want us to dissect what went wrong with AP that led her to dump you. To further this goal, you've included unnecessarily detailed sexual specifics. Your wife doesn't know that you had unprotected sex, or indeed any affair sex at all, but we get a play by play of oral and PIV. Seriously?

Seek treatment for narcissism and then get back to us if you decide you want help of the kind we offer here. Go elsewhere if you want someone to make you feel better about the affair or if you get your jollies from triggering vulnerable people. You aren't pining. You're trying to mend your bruised ego.

WW/BW

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 warrenbkk (original poster new member #78851) posted at 4:52 PM on Tuesday, May 25th, 2021

Thanks for the reply, but of course the whole point was for me to expose everything that transpired in a very transparent and expose-it-all manner.

The sexual details are relevant from the perspective of what was possibly going on in the mind of the AP, and what may have been a priority for her in a relationship and nothing more.

The very last thing I said was that the affair has prompted me to at least try and start to repair the gaps in my marriage, that are precisely what lead to the affair in the first place!

Part of that repair involves my recovery to ensure that I am focused on my marriage and nothing else.

So, how do I continue to detox myself from the AP so I can fully focus my efforts on the above?

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JBWD ( member #70276) posted at 5:33 PM on Tuesday, May 25th, 2021

...but by pure stroke of luck ... I had somehow avoided D-Day... I convinced her that it was all in her head

In fact, my wife and I are going to work on the intimacy issues.

Do you think that actively lying to your wife might create an “intimacy issue”? There’s nothing BSR says that’s off mark here.

Me: WH (Multiple OEA/PA, culminating in 4 month EA/PA. D-Day 20 Oct 2018 41 y/o)Married 14 years Her: BS 37 y/o at D-Day13 y/o son, 10 y/o daughter6 months HB, broken NC, TT Divorced

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BraveSirRobin ( member #69242) posted at 12:11 AM on Wednesday, May 26th, 2021

Thanks for the reply, but of course the whole point was for me to expose everything that transpired in a very transparent and expose-it-all manner.

Transparency about that level of sexual detail is for your wife, assuming she wants the specifics after you confess. We couldn't care less about whether or how you and AP got off.

The sexual details are relevant from the perspective of what was possibly going on in the mind of the AP, and what may have been a priority for her in a relationship and nothing more.

She's irrelevant. We don't care about her priorities any more than we care about her orgasms. The goal here isn't to analyze why AP dumped you. It's to analyze why you gave yourself permission to date her in the first place.

WW/BW

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 warrenbkk (original poster new member #78851) posted at 2:39 AM on Wednesday, May 26th, 2021

Thank you for the responses - much more clear now.

The AP's desires and reasons for her actions are irrelevant - I get that.

Herein lies my conundrum -

As far as my wife is concerned,her suspicions about the affair have abated, to the best of my knowledge.

Will backpedalling / coming clean now and confirming her suspicions, do more harm than good?

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BraveSirRobin ( member #69242) posted at 3:15 AM on Wednesday, May 26th, 2021

Well, put yourself in her shoes. Imagine that you think she's acting suspiciously, but she lies and gaslights and manages to get you to believe you were imagining it. You actually apologize to her the next morning for making unfounded accusations. Meanwhile, she's engaging in all the activities you so luridly detailed above, including a weekend getaway with her AP. It only ends because AP decides he doesn't want her. She goes back to you and suggests that you work on your intimacy together.

Do you feel like it would do more harm than good for you to know the truth? Would you want us to advise her to sweep it under the rug and ignore not only the emotional betrayal, but also the possibility of STDs she might have brought home to you? After all, they had a whole five dates before going bareback "to make a deeper connection," so she's sure she can trust him.

Would it be better and healthier for her to hide all that from you and let you keep feeling guilty about not trusting her?

WW/BW

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15yrsinthemaking ( member #75828) posted at 5:38 AM on Wednesday, May 26th, 2021

Warrenbkk,

Do the honest thing be a man of integrity. I didn't come clean to my BH and he said the lies are harder to process than the affair it's self. The longer you hold this secret the worst it will be.

If you are truly trying to "detox" from your AP, you need build a connection to your wife. Let her in your secret world. You and AP have a shared secret, your wife shouldn't be on the outs within her own marriage.

[This message edited by 15yrsinthemaking at 11:39 PM, May 25th (Tuesday)]

One sunrise at a time

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JBWD ( member #70276) posted at 12:37 AM on Thursday, May 27th, 2021

Will backpedalling / coming clean now and confirming her suspicions, do more harm than good?

Harm for who?

Two sides of this

1) Not acknowledging that you lied to and betrayed your wife will let her continue to believe that she’s losing her mind and that you’re a real swell guy, generous enough to accept her apology- AN APOLOGY FOR BELIEVING THAT YOU WERE DOING WHAT YOU ACTUALLY WERE DOING.

The word for that is “shitty.”

2) Letting her know the truth stands the potential to demolish her belief in ANYTHING she thinks may be true. She is likely to spend years trying to relearn how to trust anyone. She is likely to come out of this feeling completely devalued as a person.

Either way this is shitty.

Better way to reframe this discussion is with a couple questions-

1) What would have happened had OW not dumped you?

2) Were you considering confessing before this discussion?

3) Do you believe what you did was wrong? If so, why?

Me: WH (Multiple OEA/PA, culminating in 4 month EA/PA. D-Day 20 Oct 2018 41 y/o)Married 14 years Her: BS 37 y/o at D-Day13 y/o son, 10 y/o daughter6 months HB, broken NC, TT Divorced

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 warrenbkk (original poster new member #78851) posted at 4:45 AM on Thursday, May 27th, 2021

Better way to reframe this discussion is with a couple questions-

1) What would have happened had OW not dumped you?

2) Were you considering confessing before this discussion?

3) Do you believe what you did was wrong? If so, why?

Thank you, thank you - this is exactly what I needed to hear.

1) What would have happened had OW not dumped you?

Honestly, I knew from Day 1 that the affair had a short shelf-life, given the circumstances. Being entangled in this clandestine fantasy, and living a double-life felt exhilarating and liberating. I felt this almost chemical high, but knew it was not sustainable.I had taken recreational drugs for an extended period during my 20's, so I knew the feeling.

Had the OW not dumped me, I would have probably:

Kept the affair going for a while longer, snapped out of it and broken it off myself - probably a month or so later, by my estimates.

The scarier question is what would have happened had the OW not dumped me,

and simultaneously developed feelings for me?

Once the limerence struck, I was slowly beginning to vilify my wife and imagining scenarios where I would be itching to find any excuse to start an argument or fight with her. Had the OW reciprocated what I felt towards her, I am fairly certain I would have tried to separate from my wife.

2) Were you considering confessing before this discussion?

Yes, I was - but truth be told, I was kicking myself for not having come clean on the night she confronted me. Confessing after feeding her a cock-and-bull story that she seemingly believed, will now make it 10x worse.

I am still considering it, and wondering when is the right time, if any, to do this - and at what cost?

Do you believe what you did was wrong? If so, why?

Unequivocally, yes.

My wife did absolutely nothing to deserve this.

Instead of trying to address the issues inherent within the marriage, I took the easy way out and succumbed to my temptation that had been bubbling underneath the surface.I am not proud of it, but I am only human, after all.

[This message edited by warrenbkk at 1:05 AM, May 27th (Thursday)]

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